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DDR#39 - Blood Moon vs. Shockland
(3*) If you play Hallowed Fountain into Blood Moon, do you have to pay 2 life?
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A: No
Bonus: Blood Moon interaction with Dark Depths and Cavern of Souls
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DDR#809 - Sword of Hours vs. two blockers
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(2*) Do you get to roll twice if your creature is double blocked? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: No. This ruling is the same if the attacking creature has trample and damages a blocking creature and the defending player.
DDR#808 - Disenchant vs. Bloodchief Ascension
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(2*) If you kill Bloodchief Ascension with Disenchant, do you take 2? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: No Bonus: interactions with Force of Vigor, Rain of Thorns, and Boseiju, who Endures
DDR#807 - Are Prize Splits Legal?
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(4*) Intentional Draws, conceding, prize splits, gambling, wagering, and equity splits discussed. Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9
DDR#806 - Ygra, Eater of All + Academy Manufactor
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(4*) What tokens do you make? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: Ygra making everything a food does not make Academy Manufactor apply to anything
DDR#804 - How Does Gift Work?
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(2*) Everything you need to know about the new gift mechanic from Bloomburrow Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9
DDR#802 - Does Wheel of Potential Work?
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Does Wheel of Potential work as intended? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: It does now! Bonus: It seems like many other cards with similar effects had their wording changed to avoid the use of X. Reference Plunge into Darkness, Suppression Ray, and others! Other templates that may have been considered: ruclips.net/vi...
DDR#801 - Nadu, Winged Wisdom vs. Dress Down
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(5*) If Dress Down enters and then leaves the battlefield, does that reset the twice-per-turn limit on Nadu's triggers? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: No one knows.
DDR#800 - Elspeth, Undaunted Hero vs. Elspeth, Sun's Champion
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(2*) What's the difference between these two ults? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: Only one affects creatures that came into play after it resolves!
DDR#799 - Game Reminders
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(4*) What are the rules surrounding reminders about triggered abilities or other information in Magic the Gathering? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 Focused interactions: Putting a die on top of your deck to remind you of triggered abilities (i.e. Summoner's Pact), putting wishboard cards or companions in different sle...
DDR#798 - Felidar Sovereign vs. Return the Favor
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(2*) If you copy the Felidar Sovereign ability, can you win the game? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: Yes, but you need to have 40 life
DDR#797 - Shifting Woodland + Agatha's Soul Cauldron
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(3*) If you make the woodland into a cauldron, do the creature cards exiled on previous turns contribute their abilities? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: No
DDR#796 - Conflagrate vs. Disdainful Stroke
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(2*) Can you counter a flashed back Conflagrate (discarding 2 cards) with Disdainful Stroke? Support Judging FtW on Patreon at www.patreon.com/judgingftw Suggest a question: forms.gle/YTK2qrQqTL18rRsJ9 A: Yes. Its mana value (converted mana cost) is 5 Bonus: How do you calculate the cmc of an X spell or permanent in general?
DDR#794 - Cloudhoof Kirin vs. Glimpse the Unthinkable
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DDR#794 - Cloudhoof Kirin vs. Glimpse the Unthinkable
RWF#41 ft. @bmkibler - Shackle Slinger vs. Untap Effect
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RWF#41 ft. @bmkibler - Shackle Slinger vs. Untap Effect
RWF#40 - Throw a Line vs. Targeted Removal
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RWF#40 - Throw a Line vs. Targeted Removal
RWF#39 Scalestorm Summoner vs. Exalted
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RWF#39 Scalestorm Summoner vs. Exalted
RWF#38 ft. Carl from @CardmarketMagic Jailbreak Scheme vs. Dress Down
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RWF#38 ft. Carl from @CardmarketMagic Jailbreak Scheme vs. Dress Down
RWF#37 - Fowl Strike vs. Meddling Mage
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RWF#37 - Fowl Strike vs. Meddling Mage
DDR#792 - Depth Defiler vs. Consign to Memory
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DDR#792 - Depth Defiler vs. Consign to Memory
RWF#35 - Freestrider Commando vs. Sphere of Resistance
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RWF#35 - Freestrider Commando vs. Sphere of Resistance
DDR#791 - Transcendence + Confusion in the Ranks
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DDR#791 - Transcendence Confusion in the Ranks
RWF#31 - Intrepid Stablemaster + Conspiracy
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RWF#31 - Intrepid Stablemaster Conspiracy
DDR#790 - Do Tribals count as Outlaws?
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DDR#790 - Do Tribals count as Outlaws?
RWF#29 - Rodeo Pyromancers vs. Stifle
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RWF#29 - Rodeo Pyromancers vs. Stifle
I was truly delighted by the image pop up at 8:39
I've been playing cedh for years, ive never played manufactor in a deck but have played against it a few times. I can't tell you how dumb I felt when i realized it wasnt manufacturer 😅
I'm glad the rules reflect the clearly intuitive explanation that "Blood moon makes it a mountain, so none of its text matters so long as it's a mountain"
I REALLY liked this video! I love almost all your videos, even the humor is spot on. I found particular fuzzy and energetic feeling watching this video though, because I saw both scenarios and made my guess that it would be for ease of play to have the type and sub-type be counted as it's entering. I didn't get every part 100% correct. I got most of it though. I know MTG has changed alot. The stack was always in (most) my friends' play. I do remember playing with damage on the stack, and coming back to find it absent. So I didn't mentally articulate that the ruling was changed, but knew there was a feeling that it would enter untapped, but that bloodmoon really doesn't affect (or so I thought) a land as its entering. I especially appreciated the warning to just go with the gut answer. I feel I would have guessed, and it is truly always just that for me, a guess, but I feel I would have made the same "judgement" that the Hallowed Fountain would indeed enter as a mountain would. Basic mountain I mean.
What if they are both entering the battlefield at the same time? If I cast an Eerie Ultimatum and return a Blood Moon and a Hallowed Fountain from my graveyard to the battlefield, the continuous effect from Blood Moon wouldn’t already be in place, right? So would that change the outcome?
Correct. It can see effects that already exist and ones it creates itself, but not ones from other things entering at the same time as it. 614.12: Some replacement effects modify how a permanent enters the battlefield. (See rules 614.1c-d.) Such effects may come from the permanent itself if they affect only that permanent (as opposed to a general subset of permanents that includes it). They may also come from other sources. To determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield, taking into account replacement effects that have already modified how it enters the battlefield (see rule 616.1), continuous effects from the permanent's own static abilities that would apply to it once it's on the battlefield, and continuous effects that already exist and would apply to the permanent.
Does this mean that the game only sees a Mountain entering the battlefield? Does my Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle trigger when I play the Hallowed Fountain?
It would, however Valakut is also a mountain with no other abilities. Akoum Hellkite will see a mountain.
He (on the right) was triggered by forgetting the triggers.... what the......??
A fun follow up question: You play a Cavern of Souls under Blood Moon, so it enters without a chosen type. You Disenchant the Blood Moon. Can you use your Cavern to cast Nameless Race with the "can't be countered" clause?
I wish, but no.
When you do a reupload, could you put a small explanation in the video description why this was necessary so we don't have to wonder?
I had this interaction at a PPTQ probably around 2015 when I was like 14, and I believe this is when the rule was still the reverse. I was very disappointed that I had to pay 2 life for my mountain. Does anyone know when the ruling was changed?
I believe 2020 since that's when the current Blood Moon rulings are dated.
What’s the case that this shouldn’t work the same as resolving spells and abilities? Have the object’s controller decide the order they’re applied (with the exception of control-changing and copy effects, of course).
The issue is that Hallowed Fountain has a replacement effect whereas Blood Moon has a continuous effect. For replacement effects you get to choose the order they apply to your stuff and for continuous effects the order is determined by layers and then time stamps. Because of that, how a continuous effect and a replacement effect interact is situation dependent.
I'm curious when exactly this ruling was changed? I had this come up in a commander game a couple weeks ago and everything online pointed to the old ruling
I think 2020 since that's when the current Blood Moon rulings are dated.
thanks for the video! have a great day too man
Somewhat convoluted situation here - was wondering if you could give me a ruling. I have Jetfire, Air Guardian (Face Down), Thousand Moon Smithy (Face Up) and Saheeli, Sublime Artificer in play. I use Saheeli's ability to turn Thousand Moon Smithy into a copy of Jetfire and sacrifice the original Jetfire to the legend rule. Then I activate the ability of Jetfire to convert it. a) When it converts, is it a Jetfire, Ingenious Scientist? b) Does it change back to a Barracks of the Thousand at end of turn?
If I understand it correctly, this is why, e.g., Rhythm of the Wild can give the benefits of Riot (as opposed to just the ability) to, e.g., a Sol Ring while March of the Machines is in play, or a Rusted Relic with Metalcraft?
Yes
what about amulet of vigor + fabled passage controlling 4+ lands? passage says, that land enters tapped and then untaps. does that mean that it gets untapped 2 times?
Correct. Amulet will trigger as soon as a tapped land enters the battlefield, even if that is during the resolution of an ability.
Wizards had to retroactively bend the game's rules into knots to make Blood Moon work and they've bee paying for it ever since
Interesting. I don’t know what it says about my intuition that I got it right the first time. I don’t remember the old ruling
I searched my heart and my heart said that Blood Moon should have no effect on the replacement effect because Blood Moon says nothing about removing abilities and (except for lands) no other type changing effects remove abilities. My brain said that Layer 4 land effects have arbitrary additional rules, but you didn't ask about that :P.
Your volume is really low.
It's because there's a Blood Moon out.
I cast a LOT of Blood Moons so this one was easy 😅
Glad you pulled this one out of the vault! I remember being confused several times before and after the change. At first, it was because my intuition told me mountains enter untapped, but I learned the interaction. After I took a break, the rules changed and I had to relearn the interaction. Now I also have a better understanding of the CR, so I can appreciate the more technical explanation now!
where is the judge vault anyway? i would love to visit 😂
This is the classic Judge Program exam question, so glad to see that it's being featured here. Remember this one with the old ruling and how much it didn't make sense. Glad it got changed. Incidentally, when was it changed? Would love to see a video on rulings that changed in the last 10 years.
The old ruling makes the most sense. When there's "as" in front of comes into play/onto the battlefield it applys before it's in play, not when it's in play. And Bloodmoon clearly doesn't apply to nonbasic land cards not in play
It looks like the rulings on Blood Moon are dated from 2020, so I would guess then.
I'm of the belief the old rule was correct. Special rules that ignore the English language are stupid.
Blood Moon is one of those old cards that WotC had to do a bunch of weird stuff to make it work. Except instead of having hideous rules text like Animate Dead, they mangled the rulebook
The numbering on this video nearly made me skip it. I assumed it was from years ago, and RUclips was just having a hiccup by letting me know about it.
I remember the first time someone wiped creatures of the board in my games seeing a bunch of creatures on my field that had triggers for other creatures dying. I asked do these triggers "see eachother". My friends told me usually the answer to that question in magic is yes. I thought that was great and intuitive.
Of course there are some effects where it won't work like that. Look at the video earlier this week about Bloodchief Ascension for an example.
Would you be willing to do a video on chaos warping a commander? I've seen many places that say it works one way or another and would love a breakdown. When do you get the opportunity to choose to put the commander into the command zone? Are there any strange interactions when you choose to do so? Thanks!
That's another one that has changed (though I think that one was a bit earlier). You used to be able to shuffle a Commander into it's owner's deck to get rid of it but now the rules work like this: -if your Commander is put into a graveyard or exile, you can move it back to the command zone the next time state based actions are checked. -If your Commander would be put into your library or hand, you can return it to the command zone instead. They also used to both be replacement effects, but they changed that to allow dies triggers to happen before moving it back. Note that Chaos Warp doesn't say anything like "if you do, reveal the top card..." so you still get to get a free thing even if you put your Commander into the command zone rather than shuffling it in.
Thats gotta be a new judge. Its so cut and dry. The opponent is wrong. Body language means nothing. Remember your triggers
Now we move the burden of "This rules interaction is dumb" for Blood Moon from shocklands to Cavern of Souls and other such cards that are negatively impacted by the rule.
What so dumb about "this card now ONLY does what a [basic land] does"?
@@Greg501- Cavern of Souls lets you pick a type when it ETBs. Prior to the rules change, you'd pick a type, and once you got rid of the Blood Moon you could use it as normal. Now you don't get to pick a type, so removing Blood Moon just leaves you with a land that can tap for colorless or useless.
@@siosilvar That explains how the rule doesn't favor the Cavern of Souls user, but it doesn't explain what is actually intuitively wrong with this outcome, which I think was the intended question.
@@siosilvar Should have played it before they could cast Blood Moon, or simply remove the Blood Moon. It really isn't a big deal.
I don't know why I was so excited by the end of the video. I was so scared that, as a joke, you would not say what you think about the ruling and end the video suddenly. On top of that, when your opinion was the same as mine I almost jumped
Its under your control my guy. Sorry not sorry. Reading the card explains the card. The guy on the right is completely wrong
This also answers a question I had a couple weeks back about Bello and an opponents Authority of the Consuls
My heart says that you should have to pay 2 life, but I know enough about Blood Moon to know that it actually enters (untapped) as a Mountain.
isn't this the same as with the theros gods? that are only creatures when you have enough devotion? They will not count as a creature entering the battlefield unless you have enough devotion, but they still count as a creature spell for things like Beast Whisperer since on the stack the spell is still a creature enchantment.. Or am i getting this all backwards?
That's right, devotion and other "this is not a creature" effects apply only on the battlefield. It's not a characteristic-defining ability per CR 604.3a and there's no other reason it would function anywhere but the battlefield.
With the added weirdness that replacement effects don't check what the devotion will be when it's own mana symbols are factored in, allowing it to do weird things like dodge a containment priest despite immediately being a creature when they're blinked if the devotion is such that their own pip will make the difference
That raises a (hopefully not stupid) question - Mystic Reflection creates a replacement effect for creatures entering the battlefield - but what if the next creature to enter is a Clever Impersonator and it's entering as a copy of a non-creature permanent? Does that part even matter, or does the caster of Clever Impersonator simply get to choose their own ETB-replacement-effect instead of the Mystic Reflection-replacement?
The controller of the Clever Impersonator could choose which to apply. CR 400.6: If any effects or rules try to do two or more contradictory or mutually exclusive things to a particular object, that object's controller--or its owner if it has no controller--chooses which effect to apply, and what that effect does.
@@cool_scatter In that case, is the Mystic Reflection now "used up" or is it still waiting to apply to the next creature after Clever Impersonator (this turn)?
The controller chooses the order that they apply. If you apply Impersonator first, then the Mystic Reflection will still apply IF you copy a creature. Otherwise, a creature didn't enter so Mystic Reflection will still stick around. If you apply Mystic Reflection first, the Impersonator won't have it's own copy ability so you won't apply it.
@@bejita7831 Sorry, didn't catch the non-creature part. Mystic Reflection will still apply to the next creature or planeswalker if Clever Impersonator doesn't enter as either of those.
Land stax is 100% why I'm here.
I got this one right for the wrong reason. My argument was going to be "during the time you're choosing to pay 2 life, Blood Moon turns the source ability into a Mountain, and since the source of the ability no longer exists, you can choose not to pay the 2 life, and then Hallowed Fountain enters as a Mountain - which doesn't have the replacement effect." Interestingly, though, the argument accidentally creates the case of "you can choose to near-pointlessly pay 2 life."
pay 2 life to deal mental damage
Weak player: I pay 2 life to pump my Death's shadow Strong player: I pay 2 life to deal mental damage
@@danilkinilya1242 they get it
how about dress down and talion the kindly lord? do you choose a number that will go into effect when dress down leaves?
No. This works exactly the same as the Cavern of Souls example discussed in the video.
My understanding is no, there's a similar effect with Painter's Servant in legacy. Your Talion just won't have a number to trigger off of.
The way the old rules worked made way more intuitive sense to me personally. The card says "As this comes into play, blahblahblah," so it felt intuitive that blood moon wouldnt do anything until the card was actually in play, meaning everything that happens as it comes into play still acts normally. The new way makes it feel like Blood Moon applies to cards while they're still in my hand.
The timing of replacement effects can definitely be unintuitive. I am torn which way is truly MORE intuitive. If we have Ashaya, Soul of the Wild in play, non-token creatures can trigger landfall abilities because they are lands and forests WHEN they enter the battlefield. They are lands and forests at the time they enter the battlefield. Intuitively, they enter the battlefield AS lands and forests. They are lands and forests AS they enter the battlefield. In plain language, these all seem to say the same thing. So from that perspective, the continuous effect of Blood Moon should also apply to nonbasic lands AS they enter the battlefield. However, there are many reasons why replacement effects are set up BEFORE something happens. Once we understand that, it seems unintuitive to make an exception so that Blood Moon can make a replacement effect go away through forward-looking.
Absolutely, I agree 100% baloney rules change.
The new way doesn't mean Blood Moon applies to cards while they're still in your hand. It applies to lands when they're about to enter the battlefield. There is a big difference.
@@JasonOshinko Yes and No. It doesn't affect them in the sense that they are mountains in your hand - what you call "apply to them". But it does *affect* them in the sense that their "Comes into play tapped" replacement effects are negated by Blood Moon, and these effects are applied before they ETB. Since playing a land doesn't use the stack, they are in your hand before they ETB (or in your graveyard if you have something like a Crucible effect to play them). So technically, Blood Moon 100% absolutely does *affect* cards in your hand, it just doesn't affect them in the sense that its ability turns them into mountains at that point.
@@JasonOshinko - the new rule says Blood Moon applies to cards that are not yet on the battlefield.
Or........ it's a triggered ability.
No, it isn't.
@@joelhatterini6392 it uses when, whenever, or at. It's a triggered ability.
@@TheSpiritombsableye it clearly uses the word "As" it is printed on the card please perceive breakfast
The only one on the cards is Dark Depths. And not the "as it enters" ability.
In Magic syntax, an ability isn't a Triggered Ability unless it starts with "at", "when", or "whenever". Most things that look like triggered abilities but aren't formatted like that are replacement effects.
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I guessed the old ruling with the exact same reasoning ("as it enters" applys before Bloodmoon affects the land). Kinda bummed I got this one wrong
Same, I knew that what people would want to think is the actual answer. But with what I know I thought it’s the old ruling, it is a bummer that knowing the rules made us this one wrong
@@RGMtz99 Yeah, the old ruling is more intuitive for me, but I can see how a lot of players would want it to work like the new ruling, and expecting it to be so because of it. Bummer.
Same
22:28 How long ago was _your day_? The first +/- is from Antiquities, with Legends introducing a few more, both in 1994. With new ones were released every year since then with exception of 2011. And even 2011 had a reprint of Skullclamp.
Nothing is more funny to me than seeing grown adults argue over a childrens card game.
>If you had some way to give the grizzly bears double strike Or triple strike!
i got this one wrong because i thought suspend said "cast", however, i wasn't confident and looked up the relevant rule in the CR before unpausing. with that information, i changed my ruling and was right. so even though i was wrong initially, i'm glad that i knew to double check, and what exactly i'd be checking for. personally i think "knowing exactly what to look for to make sure that you're right" is a more important skill than even being right in the first place, so i'm happy with this. :3
I wholeheartedly agree with your evaluation. Being completely honest, suspend could have been worded either way; it's really a coin flip. Understanding that this change in wording could cause a difference, and understanding what that difference is are the hallmarks of rules mastery, not rote memorization of trivia.
Well he can’t unsee your land 😂
This is just reinforcing my belief that in a sane world Nadu's ability would be worded so it was its ability alone and it triggered and had a twice a turn trigger limit because that is less game breaking and nonsensically and unnecessarily complex that Nadu having an ability that gives all your creatures its own individual ability with individual twice a turn triggering limits.....but daddy Hasbro told WotC they needed to push the limits to sell packs, game balance or rules coherence be damned. It's so abundantly clear the ability as printed is so absurd and broken it should be unprintable. It's a Jitte level 'mistake' that seems too obvious to be a mistake. This isn't like Hogak where you could forgive them for not seeing it coming. They knew exactly what they were doing with Nadu, and that they shouldn't, and they did it anyway.
I have one for you, it involves Breaker of Creation and Kathril, Aspect Warper. Now Kathril has a ruling that reads "If cards in your graveyard have multiple hexproof abilities (such as hexproof, hexproof from white, and hexproof from black), a counter of each variant kind will be put onto a creature" Does Breaker of Creation's "Hexproof from all colours" count as 5 different versions of Hexproof or just one?
Since it's one ability you should only get one counter.